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Sunday, July 1. 2007
Posted by Fanjita in Blether
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So, we recently released the v3.50 PSP downgrader, and it was interesting to see how many people commented on forums etc, to the effect of "every time you release a downgrader, you're boosting piracy on the PSP". That got me thinking - is piracy my fault?
After a lot of soul searching, I'm satisfied that the answer is no. And here's why...
By opening up homebrew on PSPs, we're giving freedom to the end user. They can choose how they use that freedom. If they care about the platform, then I hope they'll use the freedom responsibly, and run only legitimate homebrew, or at worst, backups of their own UMDs. Those that choose to pirate have themselves to blame if the platform suffers. If you choose to shoot someone, it is not the fault of the gun manufacturer. If you pulled the trigger, then you committed the crime. In other words, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
Modern society seems to place very little stock in individual responsibility - all we seem to hear about is "I want my rights", and not "I want to have the responsibility that goes with them". In my opinion, that's what's wrong with the world today - a refusal to take responsibility for our individual actions.
Downgraders are tools. We provide them because we believe in individual freedom and have faith that human beings can be responsible. We do not like being treated like children by those with whom we spend our money. So it's your choice what you do with it.
Everyone who uses the downgrader for bad should look at themselves critically, and accept that THEY ARE HURTING THE INDUSTRY. THEM,THEMSELVES, BY THEIR OWN CHOICES AND ACTIONS.
I find it interesting that some of the most vocal anti-downgrade protesters openly admit that they themselves pirate PSP games. As far as I can see, there are 2 possible reasons for this:
Neither of these positions is defensible, in my opinion.
On a separate note, I've noticed a terrible trend for people who are stockpiling copies of Lumines, in order to profiteer from the shortage of stocks. Worse than that, I've even noticed that some 3rd party Amazon sellers have been actively cancelling orders placed before they realised what was going on, and relisting the game at massively inflated prices.
Well, shame on all those people. It disgusts me that we give our time and effort so that everyone can freely enjoy homebrew, just to see a greedy few attempting to screw others over. It's hardly community-spirited, now, is it?
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You are right.
DG is great.
But if you feel tired, you should rest.
I believe you.
sorry for bad english...
#1 Dolphin(JP) on 2007-07-02 13:10
First of all,It is a sentence translated on the translation site. sorry.
Hello. I am a programmer in Japan.
It understands pleasantly ..that.. as my.. those who produce it in Japan.
If the demand is not answered, it is really cheesed with the user who always says a with one's own way thing.
However, please muster one's motivation.
There are a lot of users who are purely expecting the development in the future also in all parts of the world again also in Japan.
There is surely no difference so though only conditions surrounding Japan understands me.
By the way, Lumines began to settle down from 3000 yen in about 4000 yen for Japan also the price that had soared by the yahoo auction.
(In part though there are people who are having dealings by large amount of money, too... )
The person who waits purely and is looking forward to working in the future must be more abundant though some people become unmotivated and understand overwhelmingly.
Please hold out for the future of PSP.
A pure user keeps assisting to the last minute.
Finally, please do not forget there are really many many many users who are purely expecting the downgrader!
#2 Akira_Yamamoto on 2007-07-02 13:41
Agree'd. I have downloaded games to try them out since demos were not available, but I purchase the ones I like and delete the ones I do not like. I also back up my UMD games as I have been known to sit on things and break them. The UMD backups already saved me when I broke my Capcom Collections disc. The backup has since served me well, saved my battery life, quieted my PSP, reduced my baggage and improved my games performace significantly.
Now, a question for you... does Dark Alex deserve what is happening to him? I think not. What would it take to attract positive attention?
citation ...."They don't have the moral backbone and self control to avoid piracy themselves, despite fully understanding that it is bad for the future of the PSP. Do they need a nanny to stop them from being naughty? "
I DOWNLOAD FOR TESTING GAME. BECAUSE AT 50$
#3.1 koms on 2007-07-05 00:17
is it true what im hearing about dax leaving?
if so, will you be continuing without him?
please reply, need some kind of confirmation on this subject, because some people are saying hackers, some are saying ruse
Yes it is true. He has his own reasons for wanting to leave, and we should respect those.
Yes I will continue.
#4.1 Fanjita on 2007-07-03 00:51
So fanjita will you fill the gap, continuing the OE CFW or are we all stuck forever with 3.40 OE? Man its sad to see DAX go cause i just downgraded my psp with the 3.50 downgrader and i finally got to enjoy his work but only experiencing it for a week or so and hes gone.
#4.1.1 Azntopia on 2007-07-03 19:46
you are a great person fanjita but i think that sony threated u like dark alex who ends his life with that machine
The HomeBrew Scene existed all thanks to you & Dark_Alex. You guys are the greatest. But it's very sad that He has decided to leave. Please you dont do that one fine day to leave us all in a soup
Countries such as the one I'm living in (Philippines) present a homebrew paradox, as it were. For one, the PSP is flying off shelves because of it. All they do is install OE and a package of ripped ISO games and the customer is good to go.
And why wouldn't they? Original games sell for above US selling price. Sometimes Greatest Hits games sell for Launch Game price.
Perhaps people in developed countries might not have to worry about this. But then again, people accept piracy as a way to get the games they want for cheap. Warnings such as the ones by n00bz on the Lumines downgrader are as highly regarded as P2P warnings not to download "copyrighted" content.
hi fanjita! i'm supporting homebrew scene since i got my own psp version 1.52 In malaysia you can umd game for US40 -US60 and it was so expensive for the third world country. Sony didn't understand the market and they are the one who's suffer coz almost all game shop in here are selling custom psp. i don't think its a good idea to prevent people from using homebrew coz it's your own choice and your own right to do it!
Thanks you and your Noobz team who work so hard for us to break the padlock in the psp to let us have the freedom to do wad we wan.
we of cause will support original. i try out the games in iso and cso. if i like the game , i will buy original. i do not wan to see psp market died down 1 day.
further more, i also like to thanks dark alex for his past hard work. its sad that he left us and the psp world.
#9 Xiaoekin on 2007-07-04 07:49
Thanks to you and the Noobz team, I can enjoy homebrew. I dont pirate PSP games, i own about 5 UMDs, and I use my psp for homebrew 95% of the time.
#10 j0lt on 2007-07-04 12:41
This is way bigger than just the PSP scene. Power is shifting from the large corporations to huge groups of individuals (Time Magazine). Commerce is desperately trying to find a solution like in the music industry or where the same is happening in television.
Whether you believe in downgrading or not, it is going to happen. Sony I believe needs to embrace what is happening even if it does not like it. Eventually if the trend continues supplies will cut down on development and the choice will get smaller but the quality much richer.
It freaks me out that I bought Ridge Racer 2 and it is exactly the same as Ridge Racer 1, I paid twice for the same game. Hopefully in the future that will be different.
Its sad that this is brought up sooo damn often.
PIRACY IS A FUCKING LIE. It does NOTHING to the game industry. companies are allowed nowadays to say "We lost profit because someone downloaded a game.." Which is completely 100% false. Claiming you lost money because someone downloaded a game is BS, in studies done MOSt would not have bought the game to begin with. So the argument is moot. Claiming you lost something that was never there..?? how?
The Hardware is YOURS. The DMCA is a law that was created by the Electronics industry, to help them make more money, by applying imaginary scenarios to their profit model to explain away loses.
Instead of taking the fault of lower profit upon their own shoulders, and accept that they are making shit for a product that no one is buying... they can now say the boogey man did it instead.
Fanjita, expect that some of the people critiquing you are not who they seem as well..Some are actually hired by the corporations to post on your site and others. Cited the MORALLITY of downgraders, and tying it to piracy. Engaging them in the argument gives them credit, making their imaginary stance suddenly real. You might as well debate why 4+4 really equals 10. Its pointless.
If there are those that truley beleive that downgraders, ISO loaders and the like are really hurting the CORPORATIONS... You should pitty them, and ignore them. They have been brainwashed to think that the CORPORATIONS WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM!!
"I love the corporations, they ALLOW me to work, they ALLOW me to have a paycheck, but I had better not make them angry. We are so blessed that the corporations know whats best for us.."
Fucking morons. keep shoveling shit into your brains you consumerist, corporate apologist douche bags. Serve your overloads... PROFIT ABOVE ALL ELSE!!
So is anyone ever gonna get tired of being spoon fed fear?
I agree with you, in most ways. I'm not going to pretend I've not got games I don't own the discs for, because that would be a lie...but I would NEVER have bought any of these games. Before I could DG my PSP it had little use, ok, I've got...7 games on umd, and I'd finished them all.
If anything THIS HAS DONE THE COMPANIES GOOD. Lets take an example, Loco Roco. Good game eh? I don't own it legally but hey, when a PS3 version comes out I'll sure as hell buy it. Same goes to Socom, I now own the PS2 games because I enjoyed the psp ones.
stop thinking that every game is made by some nasty multinational company trying to make money by any way, that's a quite typical pretext for pirates, "they are evil, they are rich, they'll take over the world if i pay my game" pfff
think about all those little brillant concepts born from studios of a dozen peoples, and don't misunderstand the creators with the editors either damnit,
you're just as smart as the peoples who say that downgrade kill the industry, you're formatted by the other mass, rebelling against everything doesn't make you right, at all, it does not prove that you think about what you say...
if a game is good, and very very famous, peoples will buy it, and the studios will work on it, on bonus, or simply on the sequel,
if a game is *good, but not famous*, then they need you to buy it , if thousands of peoples pirate it then you'll not count, and you'll not get the sequel, and you'll not make the game more marketted for other peoples to hear about it, or pay it cheaper if it becomes a classic
just stop being dumb, please..
Errr... how many recent games/isos work with firmware 1.50 (the minimum requirement in PARAM.SFO set aside)?
Downgrading to 1.50 does nothing to piracy. You might have a point for 3.xx OE firmwares, but then there's the PS1 games, the full screen video, the improved wireless encryption options instead of WEP, etc. Tons of great reasons to use the 3.x OE but it enables (as in you now have the option to pull the trigger) the use of pirated games as well.
The second argument is that the 1.50 firmware is unmodified, my PSP is over 2 years old now and came with 1.50. If the hardware dies on me I need to replace it with another 1.50 PSP for interoperability with my current software base.
A 1.50 downgraded PSP is identical to my current one, nothing more, nothing less.
Well said Fanjita.
#14 Aymaco on 2007-07-04 15:55
Whoever complains about downgrading and piracy shouldn't be here on this site in the first place.
Everyone that feels sorry for sony and other companies should donate them money, or buy their hardware or games. Then you're really helping them.
Everyone that enjoys homebrew or just freedom on the psp, support the coders.
IF someone wants to be on 1.5 or any other firmware for whatever reason, it should be their own choice. I mean we PAY for the PSP, we should have the freedom to choose our firmware. It's like we choose the type of OS on out PCs. Noone complains about that aren't they ? ...
#16 PSPFreak on 2007-07-04 17:01
Yes good work Fanjita and your team ^^ I don't understand all because I'm french but you are right but I don't understand a thing. Why D_A left the psp scene a few hours after the announcement of the 3.51OE? Because if he wanted leave the scene I don't understand why he spoke about the 3.51OE.
But very thanks to D_A for his work and the team noobz.
Piracy DOES effect major corporations, but not by much, and yes a high % of those people wouldnt of bought the game anyways.
Fanjita, after I read the interview you had with IGN I was pretty disappointed since it seemed your belief was the exact opposite of this. If this rant is really how you feel then I 100% respect you
You do what you want with your PSP's this downgrade help those people who would like to open the doors to homebrew. If pirating is what you do that is your problem. Stop flaming Fanjita for simply helping the people get to an OE. Good Job Noobz
Fanjita hates piracy. lol. luckily im not a pirate. except for windows as its not worth a cent. I never pirate games or any good software though.
Theres nothing moral wrong about downgrading. The 10 commandants didn't say anything bout downgrading... so its all good ^^-b. Its the stealing of the games thats bad.
Salut je trouve aussi qu, il y a bp d abus mais a 50$ un jeux je pense que nous somme en droit de les tester avant NON !!! Moi aussi je download tous ce qui bougent j aime ca et toute la scene Psp merci Fanja merci big Brother merci le net et a 10% mon revendeur de jeux qui font que du chiffre: CHO player one shoot again:::>
#22 KOMS on 2007-07-05 00:26
I definetly agree fanjita, nobody is putting the downgrader in your hands, in fact the users are the ones searching for it. I use homebrew for 3 purposes, homebrew, testing games out and buying them if they are worth it and playing games that are not. The last one, well I truly feel that some games are just not worth it, how in the world can they have the same price tag as the games that take millions of dollars to produce and years to make? I mean common, games like M.A.C.H. really worth 50 dollars ? or Open Season ? I would consider buying them if they costed 20 dollars or so but the problem is that all the games, the moment they hit the market cost the same.
please dont get discouraged by idiot people comeing to your boards and taking shi*t. you and me gonna have to bust a cap. keep supporting what makes our psp's so great, homebrew. and i appraicte you pointing out the flaws in piracy, hearing it from you will hopefully shed light to the community!
by opening up homebrew you have done more good than any amount of piracy could cancel out. just for starts it gives the people freedom. secondly it gives average people a chance to code and create something for a major system and share it with others. It also gives more people a chance to see/ experance an work of art. as an artist i feel that everyone should have a right to expereince a work of art but how they respect the artist is up to them. homebrew truly allows people who do not live a life with lots of money to by games a chance to experince something.
I’m looking forward to releaseing New CFW by Fanjita & Noobz.
I just want to commit my support to the you mate! Downgrades are the best way to tell Sony and Gaming industry that we are not happy with their attitude toward the psp and the gamers.
On the day they make good games at 10USD or 10€ maybe, just maybe, piracy starts diminishing. Until them... keep up the good work!
p.s. if by any chance you contact with Dark Alex please tell him that the psp Portuguese community supports him and understand is decision (but by God we would love if ever came back!)
->Psp no brid 40%
#28 koms on 2007-07-05 20:59
I know it is my own responsibility to manage how I pirate games, if I so choose, what I find most interesting about the piracy debacles and with DAX leaving is the fact that lots of people are crying out for someone to pick up DAX's torch so they can have higher level custom firmware. It's nice to have all of this free and out in the open (relatively). I don't know how much Fanjita and the rest of those amazing hackers/programmers out there who make it so this stuff is possible get back for their work besides a pat on the back and a big ol' "THNX!" only to have their work misused or used in a way that makes life hard for them when and if Sony come knocking on their door with a cease and desist order "or else."
I would be discouraged if I posted what Fanjita did and somebody posted a big ol' "F*** YOU, I'll do what I very well please!" So if it does become more risky, will it still be worth it?
"The other is related to my security. I didn't like Sony menaces to PS3 hackers.
I think it is better to leave now rather than end paying the consequences."
DAX's reasons are his own, but I can't help thinking that crap like this contributed to his departure.
Thnxs Fanjita for all that you have done and I hope that those idiots out there won't deter you from what you like doing with the PSP.
First of all, i live in Russia (yeah, that one with bears,vodka and 3$ win vista ).. And piracy is a biggest problem around, i know people who NEVER bought any umd except demo (they buy base pack because it's cheaper ),in my opinion - piracy should exist as "try-before-you-buy" thing.. well i downloaded Daxter, i liked that game, next day i went to the store and bought it..
or i downloaded game like luxor or something kinda "Diner Dash" and i see that this game do not worth my money, so i just delete it from my hdd and memory
About supporting developers...
I 'll always support indie games (like Hotpixel or WTF) developers, if some day there will be a "Gish" game for psp and it will cost 70$ or 100$ - I'll buy it immediately, just because i know it'll be a great game and i'll more fun than with "need for speed" series..
About Dark_Alex'es leave...
It's his choice , and i wish him good luck..
but who will make CFW ?
I like my 3.40 OE because i can activate
WMA and flash without internet, that i can run homebrew (like book readers and Ir Shell),and i can run my umd's..
thats all, sorry for my english (i know it's bad )
PS Fanjita and N00bz - thank you for you work
please define the "better motives" that you speak of.
#32 williamwade on 2007-07-08 02:03
I bought a PSP yesterday, but I don't play games.
The only interest I have in this device is homebrew.
Freedom on the PSP for end users is a double edged sword for Sony. It encourages sales of the PSP and Sales of PSP games. Without PSP users there are NO game sales.
If a games worth playing it's worth buying isn't it?
what swayed me to buy a psp was to use a spectrum emulator-i loved the irony of using a psp to re-create 25 yr old games i grew up with! sad but true the psp is capable of so much more than just a games machine. thanks to DAX,NOObz,fanjita,Ditlew et al for all their work and all who will flow in to fill the void.
I brought my psp about a year ago... I brought 10 games, updated to sony original 3.40 FW and was stuck there. I read about the possibility to play psx games over the psp, but was confronted with the fact that sony would only provide games for cash to play on the normal FW. So I started to search for a way to downgrade my 3.40 version... last week I saw that a downgrader for 3.50 exists.. since I owned lumines already I was lucky...
thx to you guys @ noobz I was happy to get to play final fantasy 7 on my way to work (I own the PC and the psx version)...
I'm really sad that sony threatens you guys because of the whole homebrew and downgrading thing... on every internet board I've read about downgrading I found little kids asking for ways to download isos... I find it really sad... ok 50 euros for a game is big for kids these days... but I started back in 1989 with a gameboy and only two games for a whole year and it didn't bore me.
Please keep up the good work ...
Fanjita u do some alsome work and i wanted to thankyou,I am on 3.40 OE-A becuase of u and your team,And I Just Love Listening To The PSP Radio.
I'am form Mexico. I Thank you Fanjita and Noobz for the effort on the psp. I use the homebrew for download games and see if they are good gamee, if I like a game I buy it (I Mexico the games are so expensive)and I have 5 UMD.
Piracy (In my case) is when you sell backups.
I don't understand why Sony is pissed, we bought their psp and we are buying their games, If Fanjita, Noobz and DarkAlex made tools for the psp, then they are making the psp more atractive to users that makes them to buy a psp, so sony is winning.
#37 Zephilwroxt on 2007-07-17 04:08
Sorry for the bad spelling.
#38 Zephilwroxt on 2007-07-17 04:09
I have a PSP with 3.40 OE. I choose to download games for the PSP which I don't own. 3.40 OE makes this possible.
Downgraders make it possible for me to install custom firmware.
What I do is illegal and yes it's not going to break any banks. I missed many games in the past purely because I could not buy them. So Im only actually costing a bit of money.
But I accept that I am guilty.
But we're guilty together Fanjita. Even if you don't run ISOs ( and I really dont believe that ) your part in it is clear.
I accept the responsibility of my actions and you should accept yours.
So... if you chose to beat someone to death with a crowbar - would you be blaming the crowbar manufacturer for that, too?
The downgrader is simply a tool. You are responsible for how you use it. Don't go pulling me into your guilt, man up and accept it for yourself.
#39.1 Fanjita on 2007-08-26 22:33
i didnt read others comments but i would like to say that eb games has used games and just might have a copy of lumines for you:)
yeah, its a shame.... people are such hypocrites... and it sucks you're retiring... its seems like you'd be a cool person to get to know. and i have alotta the same views you do. well anyways, good luck with your parental responsibilities.
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